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Q: H.L. Mencken is hilarious in lampooning Warren Harding’s speaking style. What do you think Mencken would make of Kerry and Bush? A: Oh, man, he would just be merciless. I think maybe he would harder on Kerry, because there’s more of the sort of wind in Kerry, the Harding-esque wind, than in Bush, who just talks like a boob. And probably a very calculated boob. In fact, people don’t speak that poorly. Even uneducated people speak grammatically. He may have reading difficulties, but I think a lot of it’s put on. And Mencken would have great fun with pontifical journalists, talking heads. Just the clichés, and how rampant they are in political speech. "Hearts and minds," "the working family," all these. He would have just unpacked that. Oh, man. He would have had a delicious time with that. He also was merciless to Woodrow Wilson, to that high-flown stuff. It wasn’t just the emptiness of Harding. It was also the lofty sentiments. Q: Richard Hofstadter writes about Herbert Hoover’s "curiously stubborn" insistence that his program to end the Great Depression was working, despite all evidence to the contrary. Were you thinking of George W. Bush? A: Absolutely. Because Hofstadter is writing about an ideologized president. That’s a president who could not recognize reality, because it was so threatening to his basic world-view. I don’t know that Bush is in touch with reality. He combines the worst of the incredibly petty and spoiled son of wealth who doesn’t have to be right about anything. He’s never really achieved anything; he’s been an upward failure. "Here’s the way the world ought to be. And by God, I’m going to stick with my story. I’m not going to acknowledge that reality is just contradicting me in economic matters, it’s confuting me in foreign policy." No! Do you notice how he also combines the worst of the ’60s kind of thing? "I appeal to my sincerity. I feel it in my heart. This is something I deeply feel. I believe." Bush refers reality to himself — in other words, he’s the authority, rather than the world. To call it solipsistic is kind. I’m not going to call it psychotic, but it’s sort of what psychotics do. You know, they refer to the reality that’s in here [he points to his head]. They know they’re right. They know somebody’s after them. I think, probably, the main job in the White House is to prop him up, to make him consistent with himself, so he can feel he’s a leader. A leader isn’t somebody who adjusts to reality. He masters it! In fact, that’s pretty much what one of those aides said in that piece in the Times by Ron Suskind, "The Faith-Based Presidency." He said, while you out in the reality-based community are talking about reality, we’re changing it. Q: We’re making our own reality and everybody else has to adjust to that. A: Tell that to the insurgents. Tell that to the parents. Q: Conrad Black’s essay on Franklin Roosevelt isn’t much stylistically, but he pulled all of FDR’s achievements together and showed that he was a dominant figure right into the 1960s. For conservatives, at least, Ronald Reagan was the same type of figure. Are we still living with Reagan today, for better or worse? A: I think the parallel is very strong. Reagan didn’t make the institutional alterations, but he certainly made the political. He forged a coalition that came through again in this election. And you could see Bill Clinton, a conservative Democrat, playing in the Reagan Revolution the role that Eisenhower played to Roosevelt. Which was, "I’m not going to challenge this stuff. The era of big government is over." Reagan cut things, but as the late Kirk O’Donnell said, he never touched the programs. For example, it was Clinton who eliminated AFDC. Reagan would never have been able to get away with that. So he couldn’t get rid of Medicare, he couldn’t get rid of Social Security; the programs were there. Now Bush is working on the programs. This year. So it may be that Bush will cast a longer shadow. Q: In Blanche Wiesen Cook’s piece on Eleanor Roosevelt, you could see how she struggled with how independent she dared to be. How much has that changed for women politicians? Will the model be Hillary Clinton, or will it be someone who is more self-made? A: I think that if we — when we — get a woman president, there will be a self-made aspect to it. I have a candidate: Stephanie Herseth, a congresswoman. She is the female Barack Obama. She’s a 33-year-old South Dakotan who, while Tom Daschle was losing statewide, was winning by six or seven points, and Bush was pulling the state out by 25 points. I’ve watched her on C-SPAN. She is a political talent. You know how John Edwards just seems to have it? She’s got it. Q: You include an excerpt from David McCullough’s adulatory biography of Harry Truman. Truman revisionism has actually been going on for a long time now. I remember Merle Miller’s book, Plain Speaking, which started the process of reviving Truman’s reputation. Is it time to revise Truman revisionism? A: He was my father’s political hero. I think Truman vindicates the American ideal of republican citizenship, a man of the people. And just his whole way, his persona, is just so appealing. But I do think that the personal has overcast the political. I remember Robert Donovan’s book, Tumultuous Years. Much more critical than McCullough. And then Donovan wrote a book called Nemesis: Truman and Johnson in the Coils of War in Asia, a comparison of Korea and Vietnam, and how this really destroyed Truman, and Johnson, too. And let’s hope it will destroy the reputation of Bush. I remember reading a piece by Garry Wills a long time ago. It was called "Not So Wild About Harry." He just kind of backed up and he said, you know, look at all this — the scandals, Korea, the bomb. But once you commit yourself to "this is a great character," you’re going to write a spectacular biography. I love the anecdote where he’s at Potsdam. He’s tired from a day of negotiating with Stalin, and a soldier was driving him back to where he was staying. And he says, "You look pretty tired, Mr. President." "Yeah, I’m tired, son." "Well, can I get you — do you need anything?" "No, no." "Well, I mean, I know where there’s some, you know, pretty good bourbon." "No, I’ve got plenty." "Well, I’ve got some real, well, some lady friends." "Lady friends!" He said, "Son, I married my high-school sweetheart. You want me to start stepping out on her now? Boy, you’d better be careful." That was such an anti-Clinton moment. "I married my high-school sweetheart!" page 1 page 2 page 3 |
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