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Q: Given that, how did you react when you were watching the Democratic convention, and John Kerry came out to give his acceptance speech and started off with a salute? Did you cringe? A: I don’t want to be one of these guys that second-guesses everybody and says that he knew exactly what to do. I obviously would have liked to participate more fully in this advertising campaign for Kerry. I’d like to have participated directly through the Kerry campaign or through the Democratic National Committee. And I would have liked to have participated more fully even separate from the campaign. In interviewing some 40-plus people for these ads, there was a group of people, maybe seven or eight or nine of them, who stated clearly that they had not lost faith [in] the Republican Party. They would remain Republicans, but they would not vote for George W. Bush. They gave various reasons for it which I found very interesting. I don’t like to pre-interview people — if an interview is done properly, it’s investigative in nature. Many interviews, people go in with a preconception of what they will hear, certain what they want to hear, and the interview is a formality. I said a number of times, even before we started, "If these interviews are done properly, we’ll learn something about the electorate. Consider it a weird kind of focus group." It’s very interesting what emerged, what these people were concerned about. Fundamentalist Christians saying he’s un-Christian, objecting to his use of religion in politics, questioning his sincerity. Military people objecting to his use of the military in Iraq. Among the most powerful is the feeling that this president doesn’t really have a plan, that this president doesn’t think things through. He says he has a plan for the war on terrorism, he says he has a plan for Iraq, he says he has a plan for the economy. But does he really? The evidence suggests otherwise. Why the switch — and this is something that came up again and again — from Osama to Saddam? Have we made America safer? Or are we at greater risk now than four years ago? These are very powerful themes, themes about lying and misrepresentation. Many people would hear these interviews and say, "Why can’t politicians speak this way? Why can’t they just simply say these things, clearly and forcefully?" Q: Politicians in general, and also John Kerry in particular. A: Politicians in general, and also John Kerry in particular. Sorry to parrot back what you just said, but yes. [Chuckles] What is interesting also is the diversity — the diversity of people, of backgrounds, of geographical locations, of views. But they all share one thing in common: they voted for Bush, and they’re not going to a second time! That has to be conveyed first and foremost, and then you hit them with the individual ads themselves, [you] target the ads in very specific areas — Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin. I would love to see these ads be used more effectively. I’d like to see them used in conjunction with newspaper advertising. When I posted them on my Web site, I arranged them by subject matter, and I would love to see them used in that way. There’s also the possibility, with each of these individuals, of editing as many good spots as you can, maybe in some instances as many as nine from a single interview. Unfortunately, I don’t think this kind of campaign can benefit from just running one or two ads, particularly if you’re not aware of the underlying idea that they are switchers. Sad but true — the kind of money that’s available in political campaigns is far, far less than the kind of money that’s available in a merchandising or marketing campaign from a Fortune 500 company. Part of the problem with political advertising is that it’s all over the place. People do not chart a course, ads are thrown out higgledy-piggledy, and that in itself makes it very, very difficult. Q: I can’t help thinking that, had every single ad the Kerry campaign has run to date been replaced with one of these spots, the Kerry camp would be in better shape today than it is. A: Maybe. Like everybody, I have my own theories of what has gone wrong. You could create as many of these ads as you could imagine. To me, you get different people talking about very similar themes, if not the same theme. You take seven ads that are all on the basis of misrepresentation or lying, coming from very different people, and you focus them. I would like to see the campaign focus on many of Bush’s clear infirmities. If he says he’s a Christian and he follows Christian values, I would like to hear Christians say that they do not consider him to be a Christian or to have followed Christian values. You can talk to an endless stream of people who’ll say, "Well, I’m an anybody-but-Bush voter. I’m not enthusiastic about Kerry." I feel quite differently about it. Very early on, when I decided that I was going to do these ads, I started reading about Kerry, because I felt I should actually know something about what I’m doing here and why I’m doing it. I had just made this movie, The Fog of War [Morris’s 2003 documentary on former secretary of defense Robert McNamara], which among other things addresses the war in Vietnam. It’s interesting that Kerry, in his own campaign, has neglected his one true act of heroism, in my view. Q: His opposition to the war? A: That’s correct. I once suggested an ad — "Where is it said that two rights make a wrong?" He was right to fight for his country, and he was right to fight against the war when the war no longer made any sense for his country. My belief is, someone got scared. I can understand it, and maybe they’re right and I’m wrong, but the fear was that if you bring up the issue of Kerry sitting before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, that it’s tilting to the left. I don’t see it that way. To me, it’s not an issue of left or right. It’s an issue of one man who fought in the war telling you that, for him and for his fellow soldiers, this no longer made any sense, and that he had to speak out. page 2 page 3 |
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